Event:2021/02/11 - Revision history

https://omnicommons.org/mediawiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Event%3A2021%2F02%2F11 Event:2021/02/11 - Revision history 2026-06-14T00:48:24Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.37.2 https://omnicommons.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Event:2021/02/11&diff=6145&oldid=prev Yar: fix year 2021-02-19T05:23:19Z

<p>fix year</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:23, 19 February 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Omni Delegates' Meeting - February 18, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">2020 </del>7pm-9pm'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Omni Delegates' Meeting - February 18, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">2021 </ins>7pm-9pm'''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== intros ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== intros ==</div></td></tr> </table>

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<p>fix some typos & a misheard word</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:14, 15 February 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l25">Line 25:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 25:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** erica: is there anything you need to feel heard in these problems?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** erica: is there anything you need to feel heard in these problems?</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** robb: i typically just get ignored when i remind people, so idk what can be done there, idk, more people need to hold people accountable i guess, idk</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** robb: i typically just get ignored when i remind people, so idk what can be done there, idk, more people need to hold people accountable i guess, idk</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* maryann: i can 2nd to some degree what robb said, although some of the offices are closed, others are present in the building, depending on what kind of work we do. i'm not around to really see what robb's talking about, but i understand it, and i also understand that we've had internal conflicts in the past that i <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">blelieve </del>are still affecting peoples' attitudes and possibly behavior. idk about that, can't get inside anyone's head. but much of what's being brought up as we've <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">dicussed </del>how to move forward, isn't new. it's something that's sort <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">fo </del>been a pattern. it really concerns me, like robb said a lot of people have left, and that's left a big void that many of us don't know how to fill. we're trying but we're gonna make mistakes, and i think some people feel that it means some are gonna try and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hurt </del>you, like in the past .it's a difficult situation. there's a lot of people at omni and no reason for this to continue. i'd like to break that pattern and find a better way to work together going forward. don't need anything to feel heard.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* maryann: i can 2nd to some degree what robb said, although some of the offices are closed, others are present in the building, depending on what kind of work we do. i'm not around to really see what robb's talking about, but i understand it, and i also understand that we've had internal conflicts in the past that i <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">believe </ins>are still affecting peoples' attitudes and possibly behavior. idk about that, can't get inside anyone's head. but much of what's being brought up as we've <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">discussed </ins>how to move forward, isn't new. it's something that's sort <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of </ins>been a pattern. it really concerns me, like robb said a lot of people have left, and that's left a big void that many of us don't know how to fill. we're trying but we're gonna make mistakes, and i think some people feel that it means some are gonna try and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">purge </ins>you, like in the past. it's a difficult situation. there's a lot of people at omni and no reason for this to continue. i'd like to break that pattern and find a better way to work together going forward. don't need anything to feel heard.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* erica restates prompt: what problems do you want to see addressed? what do you feel like you need to feel heard? what would you like to see come out of this? (as concrete as you can)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* erica restates prompt: what problems do you want to see addressed? what do you feel like you need to feel heard? what would you like to see come out of this? (as concrete as you can)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* yar: i'm afraid of us losing people, that's my constant fear because we've lost lots of people already. people confide in me that they feel unsafe in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">buildins </del>and in meetings with some people and that's not ok. to me that's a problem. i'm not ok until everyone's ok. i don't want to be part of a project that alienates people like that. the reason i'm part of this project is so that my community can be part of the community center. i've been sticking around for a long time and i'm not going to go lightly, i want to try my best to solve the problem. trying to represent others in this meeting, which is hard because people can be flaky about showing up and saying the things in public they've said in private. i want us to take solving this problem seriously. tonight, i'd like everybody who's here to feel like it was a non-draining regenerative experience that we can do again because it won't be solved tonight. i would like robb to hear the criticisms of him about the harm he's caused to people, and be able to hold that at the same time that he also holds the consensus process stuff. becuase it's not all just about people breaking rules.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* yar: i'm afraid of us losing people, that's my constant fear because we've lost lots of people already. people confide in me that they feel unsafe in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">buildings </ins>and in meetings with some people and that's not ok. to me that's a problem. i'm not ok until everyone's ok. i don't want to be part of a project that alienates people like that. the reason i'm part of this project is so that my community can be part of the community center. i've been sticking around for a long time and i'm not going to go lightly, i want to try my best to solve the problem. trying to represent others in this meeting, which is hard because people can be flaky about showing up and saying the things in public they've said in private. i want us to take solving this problem seriously. tonight, i'd like everybody who's here to feel like it was a non-draining regenerative experience that we can do again because it won't be solved tonight. i would like robb to hear the criticisms of him about the harm he's caused to people, and be able to hold that at the same time that he also holds the consensus process stuff. becuase it's not all just about people breaking rules.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* vicky: i feel like... i have a lot to say. witnessing this conflict has been really hard. i don't see it as just between robb & silver. i see how it's affecting all of us. [redacted] emails recently seem like [redacted] is really fed up with the dynamic, stuff. i have a lot of experience with collective stuff and boards of directors, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ihave </del>trauma around it. the first time i witnessed robb yell at silver, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">iwas </del>like, robb's gotta go, noma's gotta get out of here. silver said no we have to work through this, it's community. that wasn't ok. i told robb by email that it was inappropriate, he replied with defensiveness, trying to make excuses. that was red flags 1 & 2.... no back up. red flag #1 was the community reputation of omni. when i first moved here, i went to a zine fest, someone said "this is just nasty old white people" which is a really bad reputation to have, i don't think it's reflective, but that's what i heard multiple times. i'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">vejust </del>seen defensiveness, not people taking it seriously, not reflecting in the group <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">toanalyze </del>what's going on in ourselves that's affecting how we relate, work with other groups, our role in the community of oakland. i want to work through this. i don't want another heartbreaking situation where a group implodes. i just went this 1.5y ago, a group lost their building cause they couldn't work through this. if you're having a defensive reaction, i need you to not say it right now, that's all i need to feel heard. i need people to listen to each other.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* vicky: i feel like... i have a lot to say. witnessing this conflict has been really hard. i don't see it as just between robb & silver. i see how it's affecting all of us. [redacted] emails recently seem like [redacted] is really fed up with the dynamic, stuff. i have a lot of experience with collective stuff and boards of directors, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i have </ins>trauma around it. the first time i witnessed robb yell at silver, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i was </ins>like, robb's gotta go, noma's gotta get out of here. silver said no we have to work through this, it's community. that wasn't ok. i told robb by email that it was inappropriate, he replied with defensiveness, trying to make excuses. that was red flags 1 & 2.... no back up. red flag #1 was the community reputation of omni. when i first moved here, i went to a zine fest, someone said "this is just nasty old white people" which is a really bad reputation to have, i don't think it's reflective, but that's what i heard multiple times. i'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ve just </ins>seen defensiveness, not people taking it seriously, not reflecting in the group <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to analyze </ins>what's going on in ourselves that's affecting how we relate, work with other groups, our role in the community of oakland. i want to work through this. i don't want another heartbreaking situation where a group implodes. i just went this 1.5y ago, a group lost their building cause they couldn't work through this. if you're having a defensive reaction, i need you to not say it right now, that's all i need to feel heard. i need people to listen to each other.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* joe: what bothers me and hurts most is that things get too big before they come out in the open. there's several wounds festering, some really bad, some have already infected other relationships. that and the fact that we have this reputation of what vicky said, being mean white people. we've been trying so hard for all the 4-5 years i've been here to really make our mission statement true. we had one bad run-in that really divided us with the eritrean group. in my view it was mostly because the head of the group had a personality that was very difficult to deal with, and to take a chance.... the racial criticism... i felt they were using the race card to get over on us. but anyway i can now see that's probably the biggest thing from me, since my life has been devoted to antiracism or civil rights before that it was called i guess. i have to be able to see what's going on. the thing between robb and silver has been at various times presented as between them, around issues like robb being verbally abusive, and at other times as a part of our racial problem, and i don't understand how they overlap. most important thing for me is this idea of ... i want to find a way where people can feel comfortable <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nad </del>safe enough to talk about things as they're happening. the idea of saying/having criticism and self criticism, or in other words, "excuse me but what you just said hurt me". and if they need to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">suypport </del>to sit down as soon as possible in a circle, for some reason i have this crazy idea in my head. when marshall rosenberg was in town i filmed some videos of his NVC sessions. that system's stuck with me. tonight i put together how the situation with spaz & jenny has led into the situation with robb & yar, and i know from myself i need to understand that more and understand how / what the crossover is. i think i have experience that robb has difficulty understanding how some <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">peopleneed </del>to be treated, well all people need to be treated with respect and in some cases, in special ways. i'd like to help him see what's been going wrong in his communication so we can all work on omni together. it's a great endeavor and we should be able to [?].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* joe: what bothers me and hurts most is that things get too big before they come out in the open. there's several wounds festering, some really bad, some have already infected other relationships. that and the fact that we have this reputation of what vicky said, being mean white people. we've been trying so hard for all the 4-5 years i've been here to really make our mission statement true. we had one bad run-in that really divided us with the eritrean group. in my view it was mostly because the head of the group had a personality that was very difficult to deal with, and to take a chance.... the racial criticism... i felt they were using the race card to get over on us. but anyway i can now see that's probably the biggest thing from me, since my life has been devoted to antiracism or civil rights before that it was called i guess. i have to be able to see what's going on. the thing between robb and silver has been at various times presented as between them, around issues like robb being verbally abusive, and at other times as a part of our racial problem, and i don't understand how they overlap. most important thing for me is this idea of ... i want to find a way where people can feel comfortable <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>safe enough to talk about things as they're happening. the idea of saying/having criticism and self criticism, or in other words, "excuse me but what you just said hurt me". and if they need to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">support </ins>to sit down as soon as possible in a circle, for some reason i have this crazy idea in my head. when marshall rosenberg was in town i filmed some videos of his NVC sessions. that system's stuck with me. tonight i put together how the situation with spaz & jenny has led into the situation with robb & yar, and i know from myself i need to understand that more and understand how / what the crossover is. i think i have experience that robb has difficulty understanding how some <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">people need </ins>to be treated, well all people need to be treated with respect and in some cases, in special ways. i'd like to help him see what's been going wrong in his communication so we can all work on omni together. it's a great endeavor and we should be able to [?].</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* silver: so many things about omni... re: desperately wanting to be heard, i love to deal with conflict 1-on-1 first. with robb i said multiple times, "hey you hurt me in this way". he can be receptive & apologize but it happens again & again & <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">agin</del>. i'm confused, how am i supposed to take what you say seriously when you make me feel so bad? i've been reaching out for 1.5y about this issue, people say "there's nothing i can really <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">doabout </del>that" and i feel sad. we can give free labor but can't feel safe? it's beyond me. we talk about our pain, a lot of it's about robb. people <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">refues </del>to go back, black and brown folks, because of robb. how can we hold robb accountable? people showing up here and showing him , "hey the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">awy </del>you're speaking to people isn't acceptable" i get you want to protect the building, but embodying the state and acting a s a cop, that's scary. i fear comrades being incarcerated all the time. seeing that happen in a space we wanna <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ccall </del>radical, trips me out. he can get away with it because he holds so much power. we need to empower ourselves to say, we can do this. for so long i felt inferior. robb likes to tell me i'm being manipulative, doing it to break rules, but i want everyone to know that's not true. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">idevote </del>40-50h/week of free labor to make it into a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">resiluent </del>hub. hard to do that when people feel unsafe/unheard, get named a manipulator for speaking how they feel. i'm sad the people i reach out to, mostly elders, some don't have capacity and just leave... we can allow abuse to go on because we can't do anything about it? what's the point of holding the building if we can't hold each other? doesn'<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">tmake senes </del>to me. just want more room for people to speak. robb has a room at omni, his little tower, he can see ballroom & sudoroom, he came out drunk & yelled at me. noma's like "that was unacceptable", i'm like wait, he does it all the time! i'm grateful to be heard after 1.5y, thanks.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* silver: so many things about omni... re: desperately wanting to be heard, i love to deal with conflict 1-on-1 first. with robb i said multiple times, "hey you hurt me in this way". he can be receptive & apologize but it happens again & again & <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">again</ins>. i'm confused, how am i supposed to take what you say seriously when you make me feel so bad? i've been reaching out for 1.5y about this issue, people say "there's nothing i can really <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">do about </ins>that" and i feel sad. we can give free labor but can't feel safe? it's beyond me. we talk about our pain, a lot of it's about robb. people <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">refuse </ins>to go back, black and brown folks, because of robb. how can we hold robb accountable? people showing up here and showing him , "hey the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">way </ins>you're speaking to people isn't acceptable" i get you want to protect the building, but embodying the state and acting a s a cop, that's scary. i fear comrades being incarcerated all the time. seeing that happen in a space we wanna <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">call </ins>radical, trips me out. he can get away with it because he holds so much power. we need to empower ourselves to say, we can do this. for so long i felt inferior. robb likes to tell me i'm being manipulative, doing it to break rules, but i want everyone to know that's not true. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">i devote </ins>40-50h/week of free labor to make it into a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">resilient </ins>hub. hard to do that when people feel unsafe/unheard, get named a manipulator for speaking how they feel. i'm sad the people i reach out to, mostly elders, some don't have capacity and just leave... we can allow abuse to go on because we can't do anything about it? what's the point of holding the building if we can't hold each other? doesn'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t make sense </ins>to me. just want more room for people to speak. robb has a room at omni, his little tower, he can see ballroom & sudoroom, he came out drunk & yelled at me. noma's like "that was unacceptable", i'm like wait, he does it all the time! i'm grateful to be heard after 1.5y, thanks.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; 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color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Vicky: q for everyone but especially silver - what does accountability look like for you regarding robb?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Vicky: q for everyone but especially silver - what does accountability look like for you regarding robb?</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* silver: i really don't know. i want him to be sorry, and know that iv'e been harmed by him. be heard. instead of called a manipulator. and i dont' want it to happen anymore. he's been having a hard time hearing that from me, i hope maybe in the circle he'll hear it better. i want him to stpo pretending to be a cop at omni. removing the tower room, because that's really scary to always be watched. reminds me of the prison tower. idk what it'd look like. if you have any advice?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* silver: i really don't know. i want him to be sorry, and know that iv'e been harmed by him. be heard. instead of called a manipulator. and i dont' want it to happen anymore. he's been having a hard time hearing that from me, i hope maybe in the circle he'll hear it better. i want him to stpo pretending to be a cop at omni. removing the tower room, because that's really scary to always be watched. reminds me of the prison tower. idk what it'd look like. if you have any advice?</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* robb: i'd like to dispel this myth that i can see the ballroom from a/v room. you can't. if i walk onto the mezzanine, i suppose you can. but there's no window. you can't even see the stage. just the mezzanine <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ahllway </del>if you open the door. as far as feelings go, i feel betrayed because members asked me to help enforce policies. laura, julio, lynn used to do that. as they left i was asked to do a lot of this work. after they left we went downhill so far. we did a 180. there was an issue after covid shutdown, someone came to me with an issue they wanted mediated. [redacted story about a fight between silver and someone else] i tried to bring it to their attention, they were like "you're there too much", it didn't make sense. there was no mediation in that, i wanted there to be. they were never accountable, they got off scott free. when someone... i generally feel as if silver's done some pretty outlandish stuff at the building. so many times it's been so frustrating, i think there's some ageism, they said oh the delegates are those old people who just try to make rules and they don't come around anymore. their decisions don't matter cuz they're not currently using the building. a general "fuck you" to our consensus process, and the rules we set up to protect ourselves, and i feel like every time it turns into "come on you can't do that, it's like, investigate the investigators, just turning it around and saying "oh you're the problem" when it's like, come on, we could lose this building, are you serious? so they just gather a couple friends on these crusades, cuz they have this social capital, they're just more effective at obfuscating the egregious shit they've done, to be quite frank</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* robb: i'd like to dispel this myth that i can see the ballroom from a/v room. you can't. if i walk onto the mezzanine, i suppose you can. but there's no window. you can't even see the stage. just the mezzanine <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hallway </ins>if you open the door. as far as feelings go, i feel betrayed because members asked me to help enforce policies. laura, julio, lynn used to do that. as they left i was asked to do a lot of this work. after they left we went downhill so far. we did a 180. there was an issue after covid shutdown, someone came to me with an issue they wanted mediated. [redacted story about a fight between silver and someone else] i tried to bring it to their attention, they were like "you're there too much", it didn't make sense. there was no mediation in that, i wanted there to be. they were never accountable, they got off scott free. when someone... i generally feel as if silver's done some pretty outlandish stuff at the building. so many times it's been so frustrating, i think there's some ageism, they said oh the delegates are those old people who just try to make rules and they don't come around anymore. their decisions don't matter cuz they're not currently using the building. a general "fuck you" to our consensus process, and the rules we set up to protect ourselves, and i feel like every time it turns into "come on you can't do that, it's like, investigate the investigators, just turning it around and saying "oh you're the problem" when it's like, come on, we could lose this building, are you serious? so they just gather a couple friends on these crusades, cuz they have this social capital, they're just more effective at obfuscating the egregious shit they've done, to be quite frank</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** jenny: oh stop. you see everything. it's fucking creepy. get over your perceived "gotta be the omni cop" bs and we'd all be happier. omni will be fine.- want me to tell some of your most embarassing stories? wow, such extravagant detail here... I can do the same. but i don't - cuz I'm not an asshole. -jenny (not logging on cuz can't deal with ^) </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** jenny: oh stop. you see everything. it's fucking creepy. get over your perceived "gotta be the omni cop" bs and we'd all be happier. omni will be fine.- want me to tell some of your most embarassing stories? wow, such extravagant detail here... I can do the same. but i don't - cuz I'm not an asshole. -jenny (not logging on cuz can't deal with ^) </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** jenny: also, facilitation? sounds like exactly what i was expecting - robb monologues perpetuating his own obsessive BS</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** jenny: also, facilitation? sounds like exactly what i was expecting - robb monologues perpetuating his own obsessive BS</div></td></tr> </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:53, 12 February 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l68">Line 68:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 68:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** yar: first thursday meetings were in late 2013, first official "delegates meeting" was almost exactly 7 years ago: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2014/02/06_Bootstrapping_Meeting</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** yar: first thursday meetings were in late 2013, first official "delegates meeting" was almost exactly 7 years ago: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2014/02/06_Bootstrapping_Meeting</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** i'm liking this debate way more than the prior convo haha. wow this page is gold</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** i'm liking this debate way more than the prior convo haha. wow this page is gold</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*** </ins>"BAD" - "Bitches for Absolute Destruction" - Feminist collective - facili*cating ass-beating, breeding</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"BAD" - "Bitches for Absolute Destruction" - Feminist collective - facili*cating ass-beating, breeding</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*** </ins>somebody into fighting</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>somebody into fighting</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*** </ins>propaganda collective"</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>propaganda collective"</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*** </ins>lol - gold...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>lol - gold...</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** jenny: but we didn't have "building protocols" until about 2015 (cuz we only moved in fall 2014) :) my point was moreover that we've definitely evolved building protocols, rules and cultural norms around the space since then, anyways. the issue is not "enforcement of rules" (well, that mentality is in and of itself an issue), but rather, effective transmission and evolution of essential cultural norms and practices that are inherently necessary to keep the space... and keep it as a *safe* space, rather than a replica of police state BS.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*** jenny: but we didn't have "building protocols" until about 2015 (cuz we only moved in fall 2014) :) my point was moreover that we've definitely evolved building protocols, rules and cultural norms around the space since then, anyways. the issue is not "enforcement of rules" (well, that mentality is in and of itself an issue), but rather, effective transmission and evolution of essential cultural norms and practices that are inherently necessary to keep the space... and keep it as a *safe* space, rather than a replica of police state BS.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* erica: something to look at. structural things, there's been a lot of transition in the org. when orgs transition with members, all the things that build that have to be looked at again. a new group of people is consenting to things they weren't part of creating. after a time you have to rehash things. wondering what omni's budget is for conflict mediation or mental health help. sounds like people need to have some other outlet to talk to. joe said talking about things as they happen more. as they come out. silver says they have. but seems like you need a formal process for conflic tto go through. does omni have that? if so, revisit how that works.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* erica: something to look at. structural things, there's been a lot of transition in the org. when orgs transition with members, all the things that build that have to be looked at again. a new group of people is consenting to things they weren't part of creating. after a time you have to rehash things. wondering what omni's budget is for conflict mediation or mental health help. sounds like people need to have some other outlet to talk to. joe said talking about things as they happen more. as they come out. silver says they have. but seems like you need a formal process for conflic tto go through. does omni have that? if so, revisit how that works.</div></td></tr> </table>

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