Event:2021/08/05 Delegates - Revision history

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<p>actual yar</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:29, 11 August 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l184">Line 184:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 184:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* sarah: as someone who suggested that robb resign.... i'm new, i've appreciated stuff robb's done. for me it's frustrating that your'e capable of being a different person, but you go into asshole mode. there's ways to enforce policy/rules, to remind people how to do things. but it's lessons in bad communication skills. i honestly was at the point where i was just fed up with robb. constantly saying negative things about jenny, david, others. unexplained contexts. being gratuitously rude. regularly make assertings about things that are actually wrong and have trouble admitting you're wrong, and from my perspective, expect perfection from people. we all make mistakes. like you wanna punish people instead of giving the benefit of the doubt or being friendly or generous or nice. idk you very well, we've hung out a couple times and you've been a decent guy but you've already been a massive raging dicks. i wouldn't like you as treasurer becaues you're difficult to work with. you don't really do your job either, i'm doing it. i get paid for it, but when you complain about others doing this or that... dude we all make mistakes.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* sarah: as someone who suggested that robb resign.... i'm new, i've appreciated stuff robb's done. for me it's frustrating that your'e capable of being a different person, but you go into asshole mode. there's ways to enforce policy/rules, to remind people how to do things. but it's lessons in bad communication skills. i honestly was at the point where i was just fed up with robb. constantly saying negative things about jenny, david, others. unexplained contexts. being gratuitously rude. regularly make assertings about things that are actually wrong and have trouble admitting you're wrong, and from my perspective, expect perfection from people. we all make mistakes. like you wanna punish people instead of giving the benefit of the doubt or being friendly or generous or nice. idk you very well, we've hung out a couple times and you've been a decent guy but you've already been a massive raging dicks. i wouldn't like you as treasurer becaues you're difficult to work with. you don't really do your job either, i'm doing it. i get paid for it, but when you complain about others doing this or that... dude we all make mistakes.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* maryann: asaad said dealing with things more professionally. robb isn't the only person who's been attacked. jane, rachel & i have also. what seems to be issues that come up & repeat themselves. they can be addressed without personality issues. they can be addressed with certainly debate or argument, whatever. but there's ways of dealing with the issues that continually come up. what i need to know... i'm gonna be on vacation for a couple months. idk exaclty whether i'm willing to continue doing any kind of work at omni. i've pretty much had it. i'm not making any rash decisions or accusations against anyone personally, but if the issues that repeatedly come up are not addressed in a professional way (as opposed to accusing people of things and lying - the lying is unbelievable) i'm not sure i can continue in any of the working groups either. i know we're supposed to do that, but it's really become a difficult situation. there's issues of race & power that are constantly coming up and used to attack people, especially robb. robb was the first and the biggest victim in all this. there are ways to deal with our racial inequities & distribution of power & rotation of it. placing limitations on it so that no one amasses the kind of power that people then complain about. i'm really asking that that be done. it has to be done in a professional setting, and addressed without personalizing it to certain pepole. if people are interested in that, there's a possilbiity - nothing certian, no promise, no guarantee - of maybe being able to get grant money to sit down with some professional peopel who do this for a living and help us address these issues so we don't continually personalize them and attack each other.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* maryann: asaad said dealing with things more professionally. robb isn't the only person who's been attacked. jane, rachel & i have also. what seems to be issues that come up & repeat themselves. they can be addressed without personality issues. they can be addressed with certainly debate or argument, whatever. but there's ways of dealing with the issues that continually come up. what i need to know... i'm gonna be on vacation for a couple months. idk exaclty whether i'm willing to continue doing any kind of work at omni. i've pretty much had it. i'm not making any rash decisions or accusations against anyone personally, but if the issues that repeatedly come up are not addressed in a professional way (as opposed to accusing people of things and lying - the lying is unbelievable) i'm not sure i can continue in any of the working groups either. i know we're supposed to do that, but it's really become a difficult situation. there's issues of race & power that are constantly coming up and used to attack people, especially robb. robb was the first and the biggest victim in all this. there are ways to deal with our racial inequities & distribution of power & rotation of it. placing limitations on it so that no one amasses the kind of power that people then complain about. i'm really asking that that be done. it has to be done in a professional setting, and addressed without personalizing it to certain pepole. if people are interested in that, there's a possilbiity - nothing certian, no promise, no guarantee - of maybe being able to get grant money to sit down with some professional peopel who do this for a living and help us address these issues so we don't continually personalize them and attack each other.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* yar: we do have a safe space policy, and I have seen Rob harrass people - that's not OK. Jenny has been doing her best to address. We are all responsible. Bringing forward a safe space ban was her way to be responsible. I don't want the harrassment issue to be ignored. The fact he has not harrassed all women does not make the issue go away. Are we going to use our anti-harrasment policy? If we had this issue 5yrs ago, I don't thinkRob would have lasted this long. We used to have a group of people really committed to upholding safe space. People equivocate on this issue. Need to get on same page what our anti-harrassment policy means. Instinct is to honor Jenny's requiest for a spafe space ban while we sort this out. If someone accussed me of harrassment, I would gladly extricate myself.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* yar: we do have a safe space policy, and I have seen Rob harrass people - that's not OK. Jenny has been doing her best to address. We are all responsible. Bringing forward a safe space ban was her way to be responsible. I don't want the harrassment issue to be ignored. The fact he has not harrassed all women does not make the issue go away. Are we going to use our anti-harrasment policy? If we had this issue 5yrs ago, I don't thinkRob would have lasted this long. We used to have a group of people really committed to upholding safe space. People equivocate on this issue. Need to get on same page what our anti-harrassment policy means. Instinct is to honor Jenny's requiest for a spafe space ban while we sort this out. If someone accussed me of harrassment, I would gladly extricate myself. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[actual yar: i don't remember what i said, but it wasn't quite this. definitely not my words here.]</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* sarah: we had a thread on commons wg list...</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* sarah: we had a thread on commons wg list...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* joe: i'd like you to respond ot the fact that mediation was supposed to be part of our process for dealing with people that were accused of violating safe space. i wanna know why that hasn't progressed and if you still hold any hope for it. and speak to what the latest harassment has been. can you describe a situation - not hte original one with silver, and say whether things have gotten better? has he respected his pledge to not interact? i know they've tried to stay away from him. jenny's behavior tonight addressed at me was one thing, but we have to remember some of the other flagrant bad behavior we've seen from jenny and wonder whether she's really taken care of some of those problems if she wants to come back as she seemed to be ready to come back tonight in some sort of position of leadership. i don't get the feeling from her that we should offer or tolerate that.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* joe: i'd like you to respond ot the fact that mediation was supposed to be part of our process for dealing with people that were accused of violating safe space. i wanna know why that hasn't progressed and if you still hold any hope for it. and speak to what the latest harassment has been. can you describe a situation - not hte original one with silver, and say whether things have gotten better? has he respected his pledge to not interact? i know they've tried to stay away from him. jenny's behavior tonight addressed at me was one thing, but we have to remember some of the other flagrant bad behavior we've seen from jenny and wonder whether she's really taken care of some of those problems if she wants to come back as she seemed to be ready to come back tonight in some sort of position of leadership. i don't get the feeling from her that we should offer or tolerate that.</div></td></tr> </table>

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