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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Omni Delegates&amp;#039; Meeting - November 4, 2021 7pm-9pm&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Talk at https://meet.google.com/diw-hszw-msr or 515-428-1108 (PIN: 465814905)&lt;br /&gt;
* Type at https://omnicommons.org/notes&lt;br /&gt;
* Send proposals to consensus@lists.omnicommons.org prior to the meeting&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Meeting Roles ===&lt;br /&gt;
* Facilitator/s: &lt;br /&gt;
* Stacktaker: &lt;br /&gt;
* Timekeeper: &lt;br /&gt;
* Notetaker/s: Patrik, &lt;br /&gt;
* Next meeting&amp;#039;s facilitator(s): &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Delegates === &lt;br /&gt;
* ANV: silver&lt;br /&gt;
* CCL: Patrik&lt;br /&gt;
* CSC: active but nobody here&lt;br /&gt;
* FNB: active but nobody here&lt;br /&gt;
* FYE: inactive&lt;br /&gt;
* GWS: Jane&lt;br /&gt;
* LL: anka joined just as jane left&lt;br /&gt;
* Sudo Room: Marc&lt;br /&gt;
* Sudo Mesh: active but nobody here&lt;br /&gt;
* Quorum (2/3 of active groups): need 5, only have 4&lt;br /&gt;
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= Agenda =&lt;br /&gt;
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== intros ==&lt;br /&gt;
* We are front-loading most of the meeting into these intros! Now is the time to put forward any of the following things, many of which used to have their own meeting sections&lt;br /&gt;
** introduce yourself: name, pronoun, affiliation, if you&amp;#039;re a delegate&lt;br /&gt;
** do you have any unmet access needs at this meeting?&lt;br /&gt;
** what meeting roles you&amp;#039;d like to help with&lt;br /&gt;
** discussion topics or proposals you&amp;#039;d like to put on tonight&amp;#039;s agenda&lt;br /&gt;
** report-backs from any of your working groups&lt;br /&gt;
** updates from your collective&lt;br /&gt;
** any brief announcements&lt;br /&gt;
** updates on any conflict mediation&lt;br /&gt;
** if you&amp;#039;ve asked anybody to leave the building due to safe space issues&lt;br /&gt;
* please be BRIEF! Less than 4 minutes per person! Anything that might take longer must be put on the agenda as a discussion item&lt;br /&gt;
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* Yar: Sudo member, not delegate. Great. Will help faciliating when necessary, note taking when can. Will check mailing lists for agenda topics. Update on Jenny-AB conflict - do it slow but right&lt;br /&gt;
* Patrik, ccl delegate, he/him. talk about fire cabinets.&lt;br /&gt;
* Jane: delegate GWS. Doing well - grandma duties. &lt;br /&gt;
* Patricia: fledgling Healing Arts project under discussion - next steps?&lt;br /&gt;
* Silver they/them, ANV delegate. Nov 13 roof party! Hope to get building ready by December&lt;br /&gt;
* Marc: Sudo delegate. Haven&amp;#039;t been around much - was out of country. Sudo still doing HW hack night Tues, general meeting Wed 6pm. &lt;br /&gt;
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== person who set a fire ==&lt;br /&gt;
* juul can give overview&lt;br /&gt;
* person is well-known and has been to sudoroom events many times before. &lt;br /&gt;
* link to jake&amp;#039;s email https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2021-October/003008.html&lt;br /&gt;
** Many people feel this is a no-go issue. Marc feels there may be a way forward by talking to this person.&lt;br /&gt;
** Quote from Jake: &amp;quot;I think it&amp;#039;s obvious that E should be banned from The Omni but I don&amp;#039;t know what process is appropriate for documenting this.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*** Yar: been thinking about structure of bans - maybe framing it as conditions people would have to meet to return. Up to them if they can do that.&lt;br /&gt;
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== fire alarm system ==&lt;br /&gt;
* yar: finance today Approved up to $1500 but hopefully less was approved by finance committe for a trial system&lt;br /&gt;
* dk: Would cover 10 nodes. maybe in the bathrooms? $100 per extra alarm - can grow as needed. Unit can also talk to other systems - access control, proximity alarm etc. Control unit is glorified Arduino system with touch screen and 4 different radio freqs - can call fire dept if needed. Links wirelessly to any number of sensor units within 2000ft (2km?). Can also connect peer-to-peer between sensors for longer distance. &lt;br /&gt;
** $5k would be a final install with 40 alarms - one in every room.&lt;br /&gt;
** Currently legal non-conforming (grandfathered). If we ever have a fire, we would be forced to put in a $50K alarm instead. Installing the cheaper but still code compliant system before we have a fire, means we wouldn&amp;#039;t be forced to get the more expensive one.&lt;br /&gt;
*** DK has already signed memoranda of understanding with FD for use of this specific system &lt;br /&gt;
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== fire cabinets ==&lt;br /&gt;
* DK was going to buy a new flammables cabinet for $1600. Patrik offered to check at upcoming biotech auction. Preference was to get one small (for media lab), one larger (Omni general)&lt;br /&gt;
* Patrik bought a 22gal and a 45gal cabinet - $1300 after auction fees and taxes&lt;br /&gt;
** If that is more volume than Omni can use, CCL is willing to swap the 22gal for our tiny 4gal secondary cabinet&lt;br /&gt;
*** Yar: may be more clear once they are in the building. Delay decision?&lt;br /&gt;
** DIY already wired payment to the auction house. No objections to Omni paying $1300 for the cabinets &lt;br /&gt;
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== healing collective ==&lt;br /&gt;
* patricia wanted to know what the next steps are&lt;br /&gt;
* GWS in support, loves the idea&lt;br /&gt;
* Patrik: as long as insurance issues can be worked out, sounded like you had good answers to that last time&lt;br /&gt;
* patricia: seems like i should follow up with sarah on insurance. maybe best for omni to form our own nonprofit? sarah offered to talk us through that. being umbrella&amp;#039;d sounds simpler but happy to take on that learning project.&lt;br /&gt;
* patrik: it&amp;#039;s a bit of an effort but the earlier to do it, the easier&lt;br /&gt;
* dk: working to figure out what we&amp;#039;re underwritten for. more diverse sponsored projects Omni has, the harder to get insurance under a single policy. (acupuncture, painting, assembly, etc). DIY helps folks form unincorporated associations and have policy cover all members - doesn&amp;#039;t have to be a c3.&lt;br /&gt;
* yar: Set up a meeting or email thread to sort out details? sarah, david.&lt;br /&gt;
* patricia: the current office is still their preferred space. happy to help moving stuff downstairs and don&amp;#039;t want to be presumptuous.&lt;br /&gt;
* dk: recommends unincorporated association and getting their own policy, probably will be $60/month&lt;br /&gt;
* marc: what about 501c3EZ? Super easy to apply&lt;br /&gt;
** dk: you mean 1023EZ form&lt;br /&gt;
* patricia: Looking forward to follow up. Have been talking w Sarah as well.&lt;br /&gt;
* dk: wants folks to understand that quiet space is hard to ensure at omni. not possible to regulate noise transmission outside whatever room you rent. you&amp;#039;re sharing a wall with the ballroom. as long as that&amp;#039;s ok, i&amp;#039;d love to have them in the building.&lt;br /&gt;
* patrik: no candles or incense&lt;br /&gt;
** patricia: i assume because they&amp;#039;re flammable? is there a stance on essential oils or aromas?&lt;br /&gt;
*** People have raised issues with scented cleaning projects before. Creating negative pressure with quiet ceiling fan may be good idea&lt;br /&gt;
*** Marc: could be mitigated with carbon filter - speaking as someone who has issues with scents&lt;br /&gt;
*** Patricia: Essential oils would be a nice-to-have, not essential to the work.&lt;br /&gt;
* Yar is setting up Healing Collective email to follow up with everybody involved&lt;br /&gt;
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== roof ==&lt;br /&gt;
* silver planning party for saturday nov 13&lt;br /&gt;
* jane wants to help. silver will send a sign up sheet tomorrow or day after&lt;br /&gt;
* dk&amp;#039;s having another roofer come tomorrow, maybe will help with party, give quote&lt;br /&gt;
* maryann&amp;#039;s son might help, had offered to rebuild roof for cost of materials, but was turned down somehow and felt bad? but nobody knows why. Does construction, but not a roofer per se.&lt;br /&gt;
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== mail room ==&lt;br /&gt;
* https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2021-November/003051.html&lt;br /&gt;
* patrik: this seems like a great solution&lt;br /&gt;
* yar agrees&lt;br /&gt;
* marc: you can give a key or code to USPS, but not fedex or UPS because their routes are less predictable. prefer physical key to a code.&lt;br /&gt;
* david: we&amp;#039;ll make sure the slider gate is installed. will have combo lock. access to alcove would not give access to the rest of the building.&lt;br /&gt;
* we don&amp;#039;t technically have full quorum but will give people a week to object before the door gets cut in half&lt;br /&gt;
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== hosting GOSH (Gathering for Open Science Hardware) in November 2022 ==&lt;br /&gt;
* juul: Should I just talk to booking folks? or is this big enough that we should talk about this at a future meeting&lt;br /&gt;
* not urgent, 200-400 people. Would need most of Omni for ~week&lt;br /&gt;
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== omni chat ==&lt;br /&gt;
* (juul: i totally added this during the meeting so we can skip)&lt;br /&gt;
* Official chat for omni?&lt;br /&gt;
* part of matrix.org directory structure&lt;br /&gt;
* Yar: &amp;quot;Knock yourself out!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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== conflict ==&lt;br /&gt;
* yar: i feel strongly we should not rush this, and not make a final decision tonight. i&amp;#039;ve talked to both asaad and jenny this week and both agree with doing it slow and doing it right&lt;br /&gt;
* Yar: not conflict steward, but acting as one. Working on writing up feasible agreement between Jenny and Asaad. Making progress. Hope to wrap up by next delegates mtg&lt;br /&gt;
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== not letting robb do AV or events ==&lt;br /&gt;
* yar&amp;#039;s understanding of the situation at this point, is it would take a delegate&amp;#039;s decision to affirm that robb has met whatever conditions he needs to come back. that can be decided in the hypothetical situation that we are close to such an event.&lt;br /&gt;
* dk: i hate writing things like this. i get along with robb. it&amp;#039;s been months of disgorging stuff and correcting hazardous situations. so many dangerous things. i think he knew that. he knows what&amp;#039;s wrong, willfully disregards safety.&lt;br /&gt;
* yar: i think the status quo is that robb can&amp;#039;t do AV or events and it would take a delegates decision to change that&lt;br /&gt;
* patrik: even for personal conflicts we&amp;#039;d need to hear from conflict stewards at a delegate meeting. i think for all the abuse of the building he did that&amp;#039;d be a reason in itself to not let him back.&lt;br /&gt;
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= End of Meeting =&lt;br /&gt;
* please archive these meeting notes by copying the entire pad contents onto the omni wiki at https://omnicommons.org/wiki&lt;br /&gt;
* then please erase the contents of this pad&lt;br /&gt;
* then please cut &amp;amp; paste a blank template from here: https://omnicommons.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Delegates_Meeting_Notes_Template&amp;amp;action=edit&lt;br /&gt;
* previous notes are archived here: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Meetings&lt;br /&gt;
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