Event:2023/12/21 Delegates - Revision history

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	* silver - i want to respond to yemi, about what we want. we are collective of collectives, not unified in that way. i tried to speak to each collective. each is in their silos. some are closer like sudo room and counter culture labs. but as an entire entity we do not know. that requires work . that is fault of omni.		* silver - i want to respond to yemi, about what we want. we are collective of collectives, not unified in that way. i tried to speak to each collective. each is in their silos. some are closer like sudo room and counter culture labs. but as an entire entity we do not know. that requires work . that is fault of omni.
	* jamal - anyone who is delegate who has different thing to add?		* jamal - anyone who is delegate who has different thing to add?
	* sequoia - thank you PP for being here. glad you are here. my biggest question. i would love it to be a black community center. my q is omni commons has put equity into the space. if we have a $3m building hypothetically, and we owed $800k then we have $2m. if PP wants to do $1m then tenancy in commons. 2/3 share and PP would have 1/3. my concern has been if PP spends $800k to get $3m asset, omni commons as an entity, if we cant afford building, the omni commons collectives agree, we could sell building, or work with ~~mulberry~~, we could take our equity and go to a smaller community space. i learned about history of black panthers. i think that stuff is vital. when i first learned about PP, one of dreams is to feed people on scale. and so it would be incredible to have that in this space. but what is the admin legal structure that can facilitate an agreement between these groups.		* sequoia - thank you PP for being here. glad you are here. my biggest question. i would love it to be a black community center. my q is omni commons has put equity into the space. if we have a $3m building hypothetically, and we owed $800k then we have $2m. if PP wants to do $1m then tenancy in commons. 2/3 share and PP would have 1/3. my concern has been if PP spends $800k to get $3m asset, omni commons as an entity, if we cant afford building, the omni commons collectives agree, we could sell building, or work with your trust, we could take our equity and go to a smaller community space. i learned about history of black panthers. i think that stuff is vital. when i first learned about PP, one of dreams is to feed people on scale. and so it would be incredible to have that in this space. but what is the admin legal structure that can facilitate an agreement between these groups.
	* jamal - on that same pt, the decision has to be - what program do delegates want to do. it is a contract negotiation. PP is hearing you right. at what ever point decision is made, negotiation is made after. attorneys can help you navigate that, i dont want to give legal response		* jamal - on that same pt, the decision has to be - what program do delegates want to do. it is a contract negotiation. PP is hearing you right. at what ever point decision is made, negotiation is made after. attorneys can help you navigate that, i dont want to give legal response
	* pallavi - i am development consultant. i had a convo with a prev stakeholder in omni who addressed similar concerns. and thats where the idea of having a counterproposal comes into play. of what you want to see. in that spirit, in having discussion about equity, have to talk about cultural and racial equity. you are talking about what people have paid into building, but what about cultural equity poc have put into this community. we need to be able relinquish power sometimes to right the wrongs of the past. thats not me saying giving up everything but like in the negotiation, in the conversation, we need to be keeping that in mind. my understanding specifically as development professional for POC nonprofits, ive seen how with nonprofits inequitable distribution of funds, poc hurdles have faced. to even have an opportunity like this,, we have to consider all of the historical cultural context and how poc have been treated in this space. lets look at facts historically in this space.		* pallavi - i am development consultant. i had a convo with a prev stakeholder in omni who addressed similar concerns. and thats where the idea of having a counterproposal comes into play. of what you want to see. in that spirit, in having discussion about equity, have to talk about cultural and racial equity. you are talking about what people have paid into building, but what about cultural equity poc have put into this community. we need to be able relinquish power sometimes to right the wrongs of the past. thats not me saying giving up everything but like in the negotiation, in the conversation, we need to be keeping that in mind. my understanding specifically as development professional for POC nonprofits, ive seen how with nonprofits inequitable distribution of funds, poc hurdles have faced. to even have an opportunity like this,, we have to consider all of the historical cultural context and how poc have been treated in this space. lets look at facts historically in this space.

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	* jamal - is it just a tweet? who called for the boycott? [CLP]		* jamal - is it just a tweet? who called for the boycott? [CLP]
	* jamal - if theres a twitter post.. what's the request		* jamal - if theres a twitter post.. what's the request
	* silver - after CLP meeting in person. bullshit meeting. i hit up delency. there was something in their voice that made me feel they believe in accountability. and since then building that relationship. we are losing building, what does this look like to let black ppl from oakland run the space. obviously im one of the forefront of boycott, i was called out as zionist by group that didnt have a conversation about it. i get it whatever sells on social media..~~. and i had a meeting with yemi, and they were like 'whats going on here is lies'~~. and those groups have a relationship. and we dont have one with PP. complicated. i am omni, also individual. i do not condone being called a zionist. and in their conversation they said thats not cool. they are willing to listen, PP, and thats something i can go forward with		* silver - after CLP meeting in person. bullshit meeting. i hit up delency. there was something in their voice that made me feel they believe in accountability. and since then building that relationship. we are losing building, what does this look like to let black ppl from oakland run the space. obviously im one of the forefront of boycott, i was called out as zionist by group that didnt have a conversation about it. i get it whatever sells on social media... and those groups have a relationship. and we dont have one with PP. complicated. i am omni, also individual. i do not condone being called a zionist. and in their conversation they said thats not cool. they are willing to listen, PP, and thats something i can go forward with
	* jamal - if theres an issue in the room, i want to invite people and move on. i dont want to invite people to throw rocks and hide their hand. we are asking group of people who did not call for boycott, to take something down. not fair to ask someone to ask someone to take ownership for something they did not do. not fair that group of people to be... invite you to be grown ups. say the shit to them and move on. this is a collective room of adults.		* jamal - if theres an issue in the room, i want to invite people and move on. i dont want to invite people to throw rocks and hide their hand. we are asking group of people who did not call for boycott, to take something down. not fair to ask someone to ask someone to take ownership for something they did not do. not fair that group of people to be... invite you to be grown ups. say the shit to them and move on. this is a collective room of adults.
	* PP, didnt get name - i spend a lot of time on the farm, so maybe i think in more simplistic terms. as far as i understand it. what is voted on is black resource center. for whatever reason i havent heard proposal issues, or character flaws. i want to put it back on minds and hearts of delegates to respond. lot of ppl talk about racism and gentrification. never been in a room where there was a yes/no decision on black community center treated like this except in a capitalistic world		* PP, didnt get name - i spend a lot of time on the farm, so maybe i think in more simplistic terms. as far as i understand it. what is voted on is black resource center. for whatever reason i havent heard proposal issues, or character flaws. i want to put it back on minds and hearts of delegates to respond. lot of ppl talk about racism and gentrification. never been in a room where there was a yes/no decision on black community center treated like this except in a capitalistic world

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	=== discussion ===		=== 1st half discussion ===
	* jamal - options on table LLC, land trust, PP. i want to make space for people to that feel like they own the other options, to talk about proposals they submitted		* jamal - options on table LLC, land trust, PP. i want to make space for people to that feel like they own the other options, to talk about proposals they submitted
	* abbas - PP ill start and pass to yemi. i think its important for us, to give an overview of how we got here. there was the boycott on the building with allegations of racism and zionism. we then got together to create a proposal to put in black ppls hands. we want to transform omni into black community space bc historically black neighborhood. this space since 2014 hasnt been a safe space for the black community. some of you came to the tales of the town film, in the film my uncle talking about his grandfather fleeing jim crow racism from louisiana. now we see black pop gentrificated out of oakland. north oakland in particular. historical content important. based off lack of black ppl. av grew up right on the corner. we put a proposal around becoming owners of the space. we know we say black community space, but we do not mean exclude. we believe in liberation of all humanity. i thought we had a great discussion with delegates initially, tentative yes from them when presented. a week after that it turned into a lot of character assasinations. i think they were islamophobic, saying that i am an iranian state agent. extreme consequences from that language for me and family in BLA. they could be very damaging to me and my organization. also a lot of racism that came up after proposal, questioning our ability. i understand questioning but we think its racism. i believe there are good actors in this space. yar came forward and apologized. i also believe there are negative actors in this space that want to stand firm in racism. but we want to work with positive forces in this space. is anyone here in Liberated Lens here? i was on youtube and they have a lot of good stuff on there. i scroll all the way down, video on quilombo. he was talking about how they transformed the space as a white anarchist anti authoritarian. they wanted to transform. he brought up some points that are very similar. obvious differences but in that situation he talked about people using and weaponizing anarchism for european americans to horde space. was an anti authorian white space that doesnt serve community. omni was started in 2014. post oscar grant, post gentrification. how do we move forward and create black community center in oakland. we consider this to be genocide. a lot of us dont have family out here anymore. we came here in good faith. since then i dont think good faith given back. before they said no interest in ownership, but after we said black community having it then they wanted it. we feel like we are the afterlife trying to bring up that support. that doesnt mean we are anti yall, we want to move in a positive way to serve community, pending foreclosure of 875k. so we want to move forward positively but want to call elephant in the room. words are violent racism is violent. we want to move positively but asking why cant black people get control		* abbas - PP ill start and pass to yemi. i think its important for us, to give an overview of how we got here. there was the boycott on the building with allegations of racism and zionism. we then got together to create a proposal to put in black ppls hands. we want to transform omni into black community space bc historically black neighborhood. this space since 2014 hasnt been a safe space for the black community. some of you came to the tales of the town film, in the film my uncle talking about his grandfather fleeing jim crow racism from louisiana. now we see black pop gentrificated out of oakland. north oakland in particular. historical content important. based off lack of black ppl. av grew up right on the corner. we put a proposal around becoming owners of the space. we know we say black community space, but we do not mean exclude. we believe in liberation of all humanity. i thought we had a great discussion with delegates initially, tentative yes from them when presented. a week after that it turned into a lot of character assasinations. i think they were islamophobic, saying that i am an iranian state agent. extreme consequences from that language for me and family in BLA. they could be very damaging to me and my organization. also a lot of racism that came up after proposal, questioning our ability. i understand questioning but we think its racism. i believe there are good actors in this space. yar came forward and apologized. i also believe there are negative actors in this space that want to stand firm in racism. but we want to work with positive forces in this space. is anyone here in Liberated Lens here? i was on youtube and they have a lot of good stuff on there. i scroll all the way down, video on quilombo. he was talking about how they transformed the space as a white anarchist anti authoritarian. they wanted to transform. he brought up some points that are very similar. obvious differences but in that situation he talked about people using and weaponizing anarchism for european americans to horde space. was an anti authorian white space that doesnt serve community. omni was started in 2014. post oscar grant, post gentrification. how do we move forward and create black community center in oakland. we consider this to be genocide. a lot of us dont have family out here anymore. we came here in good faith. since then i dont think good faith given back. before they said no interest in ownership, but after we said black community having it then they wanted it. we feel like we are the afterlife trying to bring up that support. that doesnt mean we are anti yall, we want to move in a positive way to serve community, pending foreclosure of 875k. so we want to move forward positively but want to call elephant in the room. words are violent racism is violent. we want to move positively but asking why cant black people get control
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			=== 2nd half discussion ===
	* jamal: Had some conversation with delegates. Theres a need for smaller conversations between Omni and PP to negotiate specific aspects of PP proposal. Also wish to continue investigate other options. as a facilitator i found myself struck by the level of disagreement, inability to come to agreement. i think one of points made earlier was taken well about remedying harm that ppl think has been imparted. we dont have time to do that today. i hope that in individual conversations that ppl say their truth but i dont think there is a decision in principle ready, other than a collaboration with leaders of PP and the board. and there are some other proposals on the table, that some members are working. time and space will be made for more discussion with PP. david next. want to say again im not a decision maker, i am a facilitator. i want to name that openly and clearly. nor am i demanding that ppl make decisions. i echo what G said, there is some harm that people feel is real and it needs to be dealt with. if i had 2 days maybe we could go there. time to wrap up now		* jamal: Had some conversation with delegates. Theres a need for smaller conversations between Omni and PP to negotiate specific aspects of PP proposal. Also wish to continue investigate other options. as a facilitator i found myself struck by the level of disagreement, inability to come to agreement. i think one of points made earlier was taken well about remedying harm that ppl think has been imparted. we dont have time to do that today. i hope that in individual conversations that ppl say their truth but i dont think there is a decision in principle ready, other than a collaboration with leaders of PP and the board. and there are some other proposals on the table, that some members are working. time and space will be made for more discussion with PP. david next. want to say again im not a decision maker, i am a facilitator. i want to name that openly and clearly. nor am i demanding that ppl make decisions. i echo what G said, there is some harm that people feel is real and it needs to be dealt with. if i had 2 days maybe we could go there. time to wrap up now
	* david - i am a community member, not a delegate. someone asked me to say something about land trusts. i work in community development, affordable housing. doing that for 7-8 yrs. 2 things, just observing options. 1st thing, there are orgs called community land trusts (CLT). their only option is to preserve land. when omni founded expected a CLT would be part. CLT owns land, group owns building. charged with things like upholding bylaws of the org. i.e. if u put a mcdonalds in here, that would violate use. during foreclosure process there would be multiple options to pursue. well known one is sogorea te. ~~als~~ sf land trust. east bay land trust. saying this generically, and without judgement of PP, that these should be ~~purused~~. 2nd. i dont think omni needs to decide tonight. 3 months is the LEAST amt of time. if they lose it, probably leave with at least $1 mil, or $2mil. with $2mil, omni could buy a place to house everyone. makes sense, bought years ago. whatever omni decides, it should carefully ~~decide,~~ take 3 weeks to a month to decide that		* david - i am a community member, not a delegate. someone asked me to say something about land trusts. i work in community development, affordable housing. doing that for 7-8 yrs. 2 things, just observing options. 1st thing, there are orgs called community land trusts (CLT). their only option is to preserve land. when omni founded expected a CLT would be part. CLT owns land, group owns building. charged with things like upholding bylaws of the org. i.e. if u put a mcdonalds in here, that would violate use. during foreclosure process there would be multiple options to pursue. well known one is sogorea te. also sf land trust. east bay land trust. saying this generically, and without judgement of PP, that these should be pursued. 2nd. i dont think omni needs to decide tonight. 3 months is the LEAST amt of time they have (not until after 3 months can it be sold). And if they lose the building through foreclosure, probably leave with at least $1 mil, or $2mil. with $2mil, omni could buy a place to house everyone. This makes sense, bought years ago, so value increased. whatever omni decides, it should do carefully. take 3 weeks to a month to decide something like that
	* abbas - speak to contradictions. selling the building - equity in building, land trust, or... but this is supposed to be a community space. we are talking about land trust and affordable housing. what does that mean in this neighborhood. that is often a grift. $15 /hr mcdonalds down the street. what is a CLT? some sponsored by chase, who made money off slaves. if we are talking equity omni earned. does that belong to omni or the community. is this about capitalism or communalism. should it get ravaged? or given to black community for control. some ppl said we want to see this as a black community space but dont trust us. but we came in here after we heard allegations of racism. we want restoration to happen. theres ppl who deny racism and ~~homophobia~~ in space. as a muslim, it has not been friendly here. i've experienced racism and islamophobia here. if theres good will here, why wont you let us take over. weve said we will guarantee tenants can stay in the space. but option is to just ~~buy~~ and move into the next neighborhood? but what is that next neighborhood? and your relation to the land. if omni is about community and communalism, then why are ppl using hierarchy for saying we should buy new space		* abbas - i will speak to contradictions. selling the building - equity in building, land trust, or... but this is supposed to be a community space. we are talking about land trust and affordable housing. what does that mean in this neighborhood? that is often a grift. $15 /hr mcdonalds down the street often cant afford what is considered "affordable housing". what do we mean by a CLT - some sponsored by chase, who made money off slaves. if we are talking equity omni earned - does that belong to omni or the community? is this about capitalism or communalism? should it get ravaged? or given to black community for control? some ppl said we want to see this as a black community space but dont trust us. but we still came in here, even after we heard allegations of racism. we want restoration to happen. theres ppl who deny racism and islamophobia in space. as a muslim, it has not been friendly here. i've experienced racism and islamophobia here. if theres good will here, why wont you let us take over? weve said we will guarantee tenants can stay in the space. but option is to just sell and move into the next neighborhood? but what is that next neighborhood? and your relation to the land there? if omni is about community and communalism, then why are ppl using hierarchy for saying we should buy new space
	* josh - 4 things. 1~~. said this just now~~. im partially speaking as delegate ~~and~~ individual. FNB will not approve any financial liquidation of the omni commons, transition to a new building, or money back to the collectives. i feel deep ~~alignmentment~~ with Abbas. selling of this building would be most direct form of gentrification we could do. i personally will see to it that not a single cent to a delegate pocket. 2. i am delegate, to understand nuances, necessitates a lifting of the boycott by pp. this is what has been spoken to me. 3. i dont think its fair to demand that PP do the first step of good faith. would like to propose bringing PP in as a collective. 3. we are down to go forward with community land trust, but prefer PP, so they know we are engaging in good faith and equally, and not as a last resort.		* josh - 4 things. 1. im partially speaking as delegate but also as an individual. FNB will not approve any financial liquidation of the omni commons, transition to a new building, or money back to the collectives. i feel deep alignment with Abbas. selling off this building would be most direct form of gentrification we could do. i personally will see to it that not a single cent to a delegate pocket. 2. i am delegate, to understand nuances. decided moving forwards necessitates a lifting of the boycott by pp. this is what has been spoken to me. 3. i dont think its fair to demand that PP do the first step of good faith. so I would like to propose bringing PP in as a collective. 3. we are down to go forward with community land trust, but I prefer PP, want them to they know we are engaging in good faith and equally, and not as a last resort.
	* kale - land trust model was mis interpreted. i have some friends who are a community of garderners. ashby gardners. two lots owned by different people. one group were very favorable to community garden. covid happened and they wanted to sell it to make apartments. land trust of the ohlone people were able to buy both pieces of property in two steps. two lot space of open space remains with fruit trees and plants growing. even tho ashby garden ppl told to find new space to work. but ultimately we wanted it to stay. land is held in trust, not by any bank. lots of land trusts out there. need todo some . i am a LLC type person, mistake i made in past		* kale - land trust model was mis interpreted. i have some friends who are a community of garderners. ashby gardners. two lots owned by different people. one group were very favorable to community garden. covid happened and they wanted to sell it to make apartments. land trust of the ohlone people were able to buy both pieces of property in two steps. two lot space of open space remains with fruit trees and plants growing. even tho ashby garden ppl told to find new space to work. but ultimately we wanted it to stay. land is held in trust, not by any bank. lots of land trusts out there. need todo some . i am a LLC type person, mistake i made in past
	* abbas - im very familiar with CLT and affordable land trusts. 2nd thing, around boycott. we are PP. CLP called for boycott. we didnt. 2 differnet organziations. now theres been questions around CLP. we spoke about this in previous meetings. we have restorative and transformative justice skills. we are willing to bring CLP to the table. if they say yes, and yall say yes, can discuss restoration. we arent CLP so im not sure how that question arose.		* abbas - im very familiar with CLT and affordable land trusts. 2nd thing, around boycott. we are PP. CLP called for boycott. we didnt. 2 differnet organziations. now theres been questions around CLP. we spoke about this in previous meetings. we have restorative and transformative justice skills. we are willing to bring CLP to the table. if they say yes, and yall say yes, can discuss restoration. we arent CLP so im not sure how that question arose.